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Post by KyLe on Apr 17, 2011 23:37:35 GMT -5
This has been an on going problem I don't rightfully know how to address. Mostly because I don't know where people/bands stand. Month after month After Dark Entertainment has been undermining LOCAL promotional companies such as RT booking and Never Fading Promotions. After Dark owner/operator (Chris Ring) says he won't stop until we're out of business. Chris has been taking strides to move shows from his EXCLUSIVE venue's in Buffalo and over loading them with Rochester talent while under paying our local support and tying them up for future RT and NFP dates. Not only has Chris's shady business been affecting us in Rochester but many bands in Buffalo refuse to play for him, many agents refuse to work with him after relentless dicking around on guarantees, and in fact Chris is banned from booking Montage Music Hall. So I ask, is it worth the occasional decent show he brings in?
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Post by adrian on Apr 18, 2011 10:25:16 GMT -5
Kyle, this is not how we solve this issue.
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Post by wangfang on Apr 18, 2011 20:26:09 GMT -5
go get the newest bless the fall shirt and mosh in your over sized Osiris shoes brah
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Post by nfp on Apr 18, 2011 22:57:22 GMT -5
I know it sucks Kyle, but Adrian is right. This needs to be addressed behind closed doors.
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Post by trevorstbyo on Apr 19, 2011 15:22:06 GMT -5
i think everyone should be aware of this if they arent already, addressing this behind closed doors isnt going to change anything. i know i dont want to be calling up after dark in buffalo asking pretty please to play a show in rochester and not get dick for it. I feel this topic should be made aware to everyone who is apart of the music scene, talking shit behind closed doors isnt going to prevent anything. I personally dont want the rochester music scene to become an extension of buffalo. Maybe thats just me tho.
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Post by adrian on Apr 19, 2011 17:24:36 GMT -5
I never said to talk shit behind closed doors. There's ways of going about handeling things without making yourself seem like a total douche. I personally have not heard from one band who's played for Chris say that he's dicked them over. The one thing I do agree with Kyle on is that he shouldn't be purposely moving his shows over to Rochester to block out our local scene. I work for RT Booking and personally the way Kyle worded his post seems to me like it's more on a personal level rather than a professional one and for that reason alone I feel like that is not the to solve any personal conflict with After Dark. Competition is healthy and at the end of the day it all comes down to the bands decision on what they want to do or what they feel is best for their future.
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Post by nfp on Apr 19, 2011 18:22:41 GMT -5
I didn't mean to "talk shit" behind closed doors, I meant handling it behind closed doors.. aka privately.
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Post by trevorstbyo on Apr 19, 2011 18:44:41 GMT -5
i wasnt trying to say either of you guys are talking shit.....im just trying to say that more than talking needs to be done. I have played after dark shows and sold just as many tickets as i have for rt booking and havent got nearly half of what we made through rt. Just sayin, that monies gotta be going somewhere.
but maybe you guys are right that this isnt the place for this
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Post by KyLe on Apr 19, 2011 20:36:28 GMT -5
Here is were these issues are discussed, am I right? This is where everyone who cares about the Rochester music scene from a-z congregates. So I've asked and anyone who wants to address the question may, and anyone who wants to address me can.
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Post by kxw on May 2, 2011 2:43:49 GMT -5
does chris make local bands sell tickets to play shows? if not he has my vote. whe you deal with this type of promotion that you kids all seem to think is the way its done, youre gonna get burned. and the more of you that get burned the better. i have no idea how being a promoter became a "cool gig" and how you all think you can run people out of shit. its way shows east of syracuse are generally garbage. this new generation of faux scene/diy garbage is awful. air the shit out! talk shit who fucking cares.
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Post by thehamburglar on May 2, 2011 12:57:27 GMT -5
I don't think it is inappropriate to discuss disdane for local "promoters" on here. It's a Rochester music scene discussion board for goodness sake. kxw, you seem misinformed and ignorant to the conversation. The point trevorstbyo was making, is that After Dark (Chris Ring) does make you sell tickets. But you sign a contract with them to play local shows. They pay out much much less than RT Booking. That's for certain. I'm talking 1/3 -1/2 less. They also care much less about the bands than the $$ they bring in. We were on a show last month at Waterstreet through RT Booking. After Dark booked club side the exact same hours purely to steal sales from RT Booking. The only people who suffered were the local and small acts on the Hall side. Some of these bands rule. But they had to play during Born of Osirus. I'm in Storm the Bay and I would rather watch them than us. After Dark will also book 2 shows on the same night at the same venue, and rush the first show's bands off stage to squeeze the whole thing in. The bottom line is that After Dark is a business making money off bands. I'm not saying RT's #1 isn't money, but there is at least a little more of a balance there.
The other point being missed is these local kids who are starting to book shows aren't trying to be "cool". Have you not seen the rampant shit talking they deal with from bands and fans? They don't make anyone happy it seems. They book shows because they love music. These kids aren't making $$. They are making a stand for people who use to book because they loved and supported local music. They may not know what the hell they are doing, but they are doing a hell of a lot more for the scene than most of us.
What I dream of, is a day when a real PROMOTING company exists. There are an aweful lot of BOOKING companies around that call themselves promoters. But they force the bands to do all the promoting with threats of early and/or short set times for low ticket sales. Since when do we work for them? We sign their pay checks. If we don't draw, they don't make money.
If these companies actually lived up to their name, more people would be informed, tickets would be less expensive, and bands would be expanding their fan base. Not be struggling to get gas in their cars to get to the show they need to see 6 more tickets for so their friends don't miss their set when they are put on at 7 instead of 9.
The Buffalo scene is already in shambles.
I think every single person in that music scene has one time or another in their earlier and/or present bands had to sell tickets to their own families and friends to get sales. You need to to get a foot hold in the scene. But when the venue is filled with just people trying to support their kids/friends, they don't care about other local talent. There is no hype factor when you're a local act. And these shows are so over saturated that hardly any real fans are there. And as kxw has shown, a lot of people are too ignorant to give local talent a chance to grow and develop.
When I came here, I was blown away by how strong the music scene in this City was. So try and hold tough and remember why we are doing what we are doing. Music over $$.
I feel like a rock philosopher.
BOOM
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Post by goodgravy on May 2, 2011 14:54:14 GMT -5
I`m pretty sure buffalo has a pretty good hardcore and punk scene going on currently,perhaps the problem is that you mentioned caring about born of Osiris?
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Post by thehamburglar on May 2, 2011 15:42:04 GMT -5
You've obviously been offended somehow. I know this because your counter point had absolutely nothing to do with the issue that was addressed.
Born of Osirus was a band I had never heard of until everyone went over to Club side to watch. They were incredible musicians no matter their genre.You're obviously one of these "hardcore or die" kids, and seeing as you're going off topic I wont waste my time responding any further <3
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Post by kxw on May 2, 2011 16:46:51 GMT -5
buffalo scene is in shambles? are you retarded? i travel there for shows weekly. venues there are all rad. Soundlab, funeral home, and mohwak are all 100 times what there is here. If kids aren't trying to be "cool" then why name your promotion? why not just book shows and mosh? why paste your name all over things? it's stupid. The best promoters on the rust belt never put their names on the shows. in syracuse the only way you new who booked the show was by the style of the flier. that ended with that matt dunn guy. and as for not making money? are you retarded? ever kid here has made duckets or they wouldn't be doing it. these nerds don't have passion, they want scene points.
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Post by thehamburglar on May 2, 2011 17:22:48 GMT -5
You need to have a name in order for bands to trust your booking chops. These kids aren't exactly living the high life. Let me answer your other 2 extremely intelligent and on topic questions. 1. No, I'm not retarded. 2. Oh, no, I'm not retarded. I'm happy your hardcore scene is allegedly thriving in Buffalo, but I lived there my entire life. I know all about it. That's like saying a Dodge Neon is your favorite car, and lots of people buy Dodge Neons in Buffalo, so it's an awesome place to buy a car. It's not the only model that exists. It's not the most important one just because it's the only thing your narrow mind will accept. Also, the biggest venue you named has a 350 person capacity. The reason you don't know the names of the promoters is because you're a listener. Not a musician. Which also means you probably shouldn't have posted on this thread in the first place because your involvement ends at paying the person at the door of the show. "Every kid here has mad duckets" name one promoter that has made these so called "duckets" give me the name of one kid in Rochester who is loaded because he books shows. After Dark has their own office building for goodness sake. You're so caught up in thinking you're the biggest hardcore scene kid that you discredit people whom you don't even know. That's ignorance in the purest form of the word. Someday you'll grow up and realize "scene points" don't exist. I'll bet all my duckets that you come back with more ill informed, off topic information.
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