How Stupid I am.

[anon585]

"Posted by Ronnie on Mar 16, 2011, 1:26pm
i like how bands will play, not get paid, and sage comes out with a pocket full of cash."

yup thats why sage is so loaded and asks people to donate to nfp to get new sound equip because he's pocketing all this cash. *sarcasm*

[kyle]

No one but Sage is going to know what his over head is. And he won't know until people show up. there is no guarantee in the business he's in. he takes a risk on every band he books, because he trusts you to be his friend. He is a deserving friend

[guest]

A pocket full of cash? Yep, you clearly know what you're talking about. Since, ya know, you make so much bank when you put on AFFORDABLE local shows. Honestly? For the amount of work Sage does, and for what he's trying to do for the music scene it'd be nice to see the kid make a little money. But he's too busy dividing it all up among bands. Newsflash- if your band didn't get paid, the show didn't make enough money. You want to change that? Sell more tickets.

[nfp]

Thanks for having my back guys

[NateBlasdellLikesThePeen]

Me and my band are just getting started here in the music scene and Sage is pretty much what got us going. He booked our very first show and we walked out of it with a nice profit. I'll tell you why - we sold a ton of tickets. I'm not sure, but I certainly hope that Sage left with a profit too because he certainly deserved it. If your having problems because you don't think Sage is paying you enough, maybe you should think about what it is like to actually prepare a show. The least you could do is sell more than ten tickets and not bitch about how he is "pocketing" money. He isn't Blasdell. He's not about to book shows to send money to the "charity" that is his already rich adopted ass.

[hardcoreisdead]

I've never been to a show you booked, and i'm pretty sure i never will be. thats fine. but if you are not paying bands, and pocketing money, you are a complete piece of shit. I've been going to shows longer than i bet half this board has been alive and booked shows in more cities than any other promoter i know and the rule, at least for hardcore/punk and noise is simple, you profit after the bands are paid. Also any promoter who makes his bands sells tickets is a scum bag. plain and simple. But i guess thats why punk and what you guys are doing is simple. I'm not trying to start shit, but i will call a spade a spade, and maybe you might wanna take advice from someone with a few years under his belt.
As a band it's not my responsibility to sell tickets. It's the promoters. I am providing a service to you, not the other way around. Any retard with $200 bucks can book a show. Bands need to respect their craft more. My job is to come and play my set, speak my mind and collect my pay. If the show doesn't make that, guess what? the promoter pays me that anyway, because i did what i was promised. If i sold a ticket to the show, you better think i'm keeping every fucking dollar of it, because at that point the promoter hasn't done shit.
If the promoter comes out with some capital, then great, but the priority is to get the money t the bands, because those kids aren't there to see the promoter, theyre there to see the bands.
Like i said, i don't know you and my friend says youre an ok kid. But so far my experiences with you don't reflect that; you strike me as short sighted and attention seeking. but i know that alot of times people come off a little rough via digital transfer, and also don't know how you go about your bookings. But if it involves selling tickets i can tell you, in independent music, it's wrong.

[nfp]

I agree with a few things you say. But as far as presale tickets go, it's an industry standard these days. Independent promoters rely on them to cover expenses before doors even open, that way anything coming through is pure net profit.
I agree with you that bands shouldn't be paid purely based off of ticket sales, nor should the line up be determined purely by ticket sales. But for a lot of bands starting off, tickets offer them the chance to earn cash for gear, merch, recording, etc. And trust me, when beginner bands work hard (both musically and with tickets), I reward them much more than most promoters. Often bands are lucky if they leave a show with 10 percent of what they sell, I aim to give them back at least 30%. If it weren't for tickets, bands who normally wouldn't have a shot are given the chance to climb the ladder and make progress financially. Tickets are definitely a double edged sword overall.
And as far as paying guarantees, I have never bailed on a band for what I owe them. Never. I've paid out of pocket, it sucks, but that's all part of the risk.
But, LOL at me being short sighted. If that were the case I wouldn't have made it two years without losing a shit ton of money on these shows. The music scene is a process that never ends and it needs to be maintained.. if it's over tapped bad shit happens. You might make a killing by raping the hell out of 16 year old local bands, but eventually their friends are going to get tired of seeing them every other week. It's all about balancing tours and locals/genre shifting.

Who is your friend that said I'm ok?

[hardcoreisdead]

Pre Sale tickets are NOT industry standard. I said, i've booked in more cities than most bands you work with have played. I def. sell presale tickets, but thats to ensure kids will get tickets before the sell out. that is industry standard. making bands sell tickets is bullshit and a sign of a shitty promoter. One of my previous bands was asked to play and the promoter told us we need to sell at least 10 tickets. i promptly told him to fuck off and that we need $40 to play. I could have sold 50 tickets in a day for the show. When we got there, we ended up from playing first instead of co headlining. If we didn't need the money to get home, i would have LITERALLY spit in the promoters face and left. My guitarist had to stop me physically.
I just talked to a friend whose band can't play rochester because they refuse to sell tickets, but sell out shows in boston.

Don't try to give me that "scene" bullshit, because you kids literally make me embarrassed to refer to hardcore and punk as the scene, as it was originally intended.
I constantly have kids calling me to ask if i can do them shows here, so i'm pretty sure that i am a more than competent booker. so do not try to tell me industry standards.

[jimm]

Mar 21, 2011 21:34:20 GMT -5 hardcoreisdead said:

blah blah blah

tldr

[hardcoreisdead]

maybe thats the problem, no one wants to take time to understand anything. you here or see someone else do it, usually poorly, and you attempt to emulate it, and perpetuate the shit cycle.
I really don't mind, presonally, but for bands like This is s Stick Up, they can't even play in their home town, because the "industry standard" of selling tickets. My friends in Snowing wanted to play here, but they won't because they found out that some promoter do a pay to play, and won't play for them.

But as long as there are kids willing to do it, well then, good for you.

[XkilldeathX]

wtf sage is good he actually gets bands from out side of rochest you retarded fucks why dont you go play water street and have your bands play with fucken engyga every weekend with dave, sage may have started bad but he worked his way up and now i prefer him over most

[SleezeKrotch]

I understand completely, the difference is im in a band that can sell tickets, and does quite well with this system. I myself, and many other dudes in bands at our level or higher levels work hard for it. sure its not ideal, but if you dont wanna hustle, stick to playing floor shows and stuff like that. nothing wrong with it. to each his own. what cities and venues have you booked in also? my cruiousity has been stricken.

[hardcoreisdead]

I've booked in New Brunswick, Philadelphia, Allentown, Bethlehem, Easton, Syracuse, Rochester, and Brooklyn. I've helped do shows in Chicago, Detroit, Louisville, Birmingham, and Atlanta.

Also, trying to talk shit on floor shows in weak. I've seen thursday, converge, american nightmare, Piebald, saves the day new found glory and fallout boy all at amazing floor shows, and it goes with out saying that those bands are all at a higher level than any rochester bands playing right now. I don't think you guys really understand how things really work outside of the area. I can't even think of one pay to play venue in syracuse or philadelphia that ANY respectable band has played at and still a lot of smaller bands have gotten on board.
The point is, it's not a bands job to hussle tickets. a band already has too many responsibilities on their plate to add trying to manage their own shows.

[jimm]

well, i agree almost completely with everything u say. i just dont agree with the look down your nose attitude u display. also why arent u booking shows now. haha think about the combined effort you would get out of this city. i mean u already have bands that sell tickets and promote shows, if u had some one much like yourself who has the abilities to do well then make it happen by all means, instead of shooting down other said promoters. talk about that shit cycle for a second.

[SleezeKrotch]

dont get butt hurt, im not talking down on floor shows at all! i actually enjoy them now and then and im playing one in may. ive also played some basement shows and those are fun too. I was just pointing out that there are options for bands who cant or wont sell tickets for venues like waterstreet.